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    washout
    In relation to applying to be a moderator, I have also applied twice through different links a couple of months ago and have also not heard anything. Maybe there is a backlog to applications?? Ben
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    cervezafria

    "Maybe there is a backlog to applications??"

    Or maybe there's simply no one manning the checkpoint.... 

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    max0411

    @ Brian Hartvigsen

    Not knowing about this tread, I have sent sent a similar suggestion around the same time to Daniel Gifford to pass it on to OpenDNS the need for routinely vetting of submissions, regardless the number of votes, of critical categories such as Adult Themes, Sexuality, Pornography, Proxy, P2P/File sharing and storage, Gambling, and Video/Photo sharing.

    However, now I think the most critical issue is the regular vetting for approval of domains that have been tagged as a proxy by the community. The simple reason is that proxy sites spring up regularly and they themselves circumvent all the filtering that OpenDNS is trying to achieve. I have seen dormant domains on other categories, and recently with www.unlimitaccess4u.com that was submitted more than a year ago, yet still without an approved tag.

    In order for OpenDNS stays relevant and robust, I think proxy tag submissions will need to be checked for approval on a weekly / forthnightly basis.

     

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    ccbrianf

    It would seem to me that voting would go far more efficiently if those who frequently visit the sites needing review could more easily see that review was needed and vote. One way might be to add this information to the domain statistics list. Another might be to list sites I visit first in the domain tagging list. It is not very productive for me to weed through an untailered list just to sort out the few sites I have experience with. It is almost a wonder this community thing works at all with the current low tech methods. My only real incentive to tag a domain is to get it blocked by one of my categories and unless several others have that same goal, my submission is likely to set idle for years even. Surely there are ways to make this community more efficient!

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    whoelse

    Another reason causes domain tagging process takes very long is too much junk/spam submissions that were unrelated to the submitted category at all. This would waste a lot of time to do domain tagging. OpenDNS might need to delete submissions made by spammers.

    https://support.opendns.com/entries/23552269-Add-tool-to-suppress-domains-in-tagging-pages-submitted-by-spammers

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    ykadmin

    Without anyone approving tagging sites all ideas are worth nothing, currently I don't think anyone is approving new tagged sites, good luck.

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    quinnell

    I have been going through and trying to vote on and tag new domains lately.  Found a number of newer (less than 2 years old) sites that have never been entered into the system.  Hoping to improve the content filtering on OpenDNS

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    ruohtula

    Was looking for information about delays in reviewing wrongly tagged domains (which seem slow to resolve), but as there is a logjam in the other direction too, maybe I give up. Anyway the suggesting and voting idea is clearly broken, because people with an agenda clearly try to block swathes of internet they don't like with inappropriate tags, and you would need an army of sane reviewers to cut through that spam.

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    tammyinmo

    Unfortunately, I think that Open DNS has become almost useless as the domains don't get approved for years. It's been going on for awhile and there seems to be no desire to fix it. I also applied to be a moderator and have heard absolutely nothing.

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    opendnsukie
    Could we enhance the white/black list feature so that a user can add a category to a blacklisted domain and then that list can be automatically compared to the community tags in order to accelerate the voting process?
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    mattwilson9090

    @opendnsukie What if a domain that someone blacklists already has been tagged, either with a final categorization or ones that are currently being voted upon? Adding additional tags would be either redundant or counterproductive, or in the case of ones that have already been categorized, would not work, possibly generating errors?

    Remember, it's not just uncategorized domains that are blacklisted, but people will blacklist domains that already belong to a domain that they have not blocked.

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    opendnsukie

    If the domain has already been tagged with a final categorization it would simply add another vote or the system would notify the user that the domain is already tagged.

    But this would be especially useful for domains that are in the process of being voted for. There should be some interaction between the user and the tagging community, where the user, by adding a domain to his black list, is promoted with a notification that his domain has already been noticed by someone else in the tagging community. The user could then have the option of adding his vote or adding his own tag. By incorporating the black/white list feature into the tagging community (in a well thought out way), the tagging process could be greatly improved.

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    mattwilson9090

    There is definitely a lot of merit to this idea, and it is one thing that could certainly speed up and improve the whole process, as well as providing more useful information to the user's.

    I'm not sure how complex it would be to implement, but the security professional in me cringes at the thought of this kind of interaction between what should be two different sets of data. It would also need to be something that's optional, i.e. people shouldn't be forced to tag something just because they added it to their whitelist or blacklist, especially since some things are added to those lists not because of the category, but something about the site itself.

    I can see something that would notify the person if a domain has already been categorized, or at least tagged, or perhaps providing a link to the domain on the Domain Tagging page, but automatic tagging or voting is concerning. That might even be more useful, since it would lead to greater exposing to the "tagging community".

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    opendnsukie

    The tagging does not need to be fully automatic. As you pointed out, the user could be notified with a popup and asked if he would like to cast his vote to a particular domain. A dropdown next to each blacklisted domain would allow the user to specify the category. 

    Another useful feature would be to allow the user to see the status of the tagged domain in the black/white list.

    On another hand, it might be more efficient to get rid of the separate "tagging community" altogether and manage the whole thing by collecting the lists provided by individual users.

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    mattwilson9090

    I'd prefer a link to a pop-up, but that's in part because so many shoddy websites use pop-ups that I almost reflexively close them. Either way, a link or a pop-up, if it took the user to a separate page to take care of the voting it would resolve my security concerns and provide some very good added looks at the whole categorization too.

    I agree, something that show if a whitelisted/blacklisted domain already belonged to a domain could be very useful, especially for people who are considering other changes to what they are filtering. It could potentially make it a lot easier for people to sort out problems they are having in configuring OpenDNS to work the way they want or need it to.

    I'm not sure what you mean by collecting the lists provided by individual users. The tagging community certainly isn't efficient, at least judging by the number of domains tagged versus the total number of domains out there, but by it's nature it is at least extremely accurate.

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    opendnsukie

    What i I mean is by "collecting the lists" is that it would be more efficient to not have a separate "tagging community". The tagging community might be better served if the voting for domains is integrated into and pulled from individual accounts based on the white/black list feature.

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    ccbrianf

    I think that's exactly what I proposed above back on 7/6/2015.

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    opendnsukie

    @ccbrianf I did not have a chance to read completely through all the comments but it's been about a year since then without any changes. Something like this should be easy to integrate.

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    mattwilson9090

    @opendnsukie What you are talking about by integrating things is a total redesign of the product and how things work. For security reasons alone I wouldn't want what are two separate systems that intersect in a limited and very specific way to be blended together. As it now stands, when people put something into their whitelist and blacklists they are not in any way voting for categories, they are designating specific exceptions to the rest of their settings. More information and insight could certainly be provided during that process, but turning those settings in categorization votes is another matter entirely.

    Regardless, although the concepts we've discussed recently are fairly simple in nature, we have no way of knowing how easy they would be to implement without access to the existing backend and source code. A change of this magnitude could be hideously complex or difficult, or quite easy. We simply have no way of knowing.

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    opendnsukie

    @mattwilson9090 just for clarity, are you an OpenDNS SW engineer? If so, perhaps you could explain to us why this could be such huge security risk? The back end of the algorithm does not need to change. All that would change is the user's ability to have a more direct and convenient way of casing votes and tagging domains. The "system" (at least at its initial stage, which is what we are talking about) is simply collecting votes for strings of domains. Of course no user should be forced to add any contribution to the tagging community, but if they so chose (which I assume most would) they could do it directly from the same interface and be able to monitory the status of their contribution.

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    mattwilson9090

    No, I am not an OpenDNS employee.

    However, I've just erased everything that I just wrote. There really is nothing else for me to contribute. I've said it all, and nothing is gained by me rephrasing the same things once again.

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    cervezafria

    This recent back and forth banter on what otherwise has been a dead thread has been quite amusing. The reality is that OpenDNS has set this forum up for the self-flagellation of those who post here. Unless there is a suggestion which can be monetized, it is unlikely that this thread will produce actionable change. If you haven't noticed this thread is about to become 3 years old.

    So put forth all the arguments you have, but please don't expect that anyone from ODNS will act to change things, Apart from personal black/white listings ODNS is a relic of past ages,  There is no money to change things here. Things are what they are and will be so until ODNS closes its doors.

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    ruohtula

    It sure does look worrying. I noticed the last OpenDNS blog item is from April 18, and it is now June 1... Previously there were new items at least weekly.

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    dijk

    In the last few months we have had repeated issues with explicit porn images not being blocked. All from the same Russian sources.

    Even though we have subjected these offending URL's on several occasions nothing has been blocked so far. All submissions are still up for review.

    We are talking about MONTHS!

    Such delays for serious porn are making OpenDNS next to useless.

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    cobalt-phoenix

    "we have subjected these offending URL's on several occasions"

    What occasions?

    Did you submit or vote up these domains in the domain tagging system?  https://community.opendns.com/domaintagging/
    Did you possibly raise a support ticket with OpenDNS?  https://support.opendns.com/requests/new

    Everything else is near to useless...

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    dbcc

    I guess as soon as @dijk has encountered the various URL's.
    As we are talking about Domain-Tagging-And-Approval it will be very likely they are submitted in the Domain-Tagging system.

    I've also submitted URL's that are clearly porn, but stil not approved 2 years later, very frustrating. One cause is that people can submit thousands of sites, thereby causing a jungle, where 'serious' sites cannot be found. Furthermore there are not enough mods te approve. Although I've asked to be a mod using a application form, more then 1 year ago, stil no response!!

    @dijk, if you post the URL's here, I'll vote for them.

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    ykadmin

    I was the one who originally opened this topic, I had a personal dialogue with the team of Open DNS they made it very clear, they have no interest in improving the domain tagging, the focus is on security, I agree it's a shame because with a little effort they could at least improve and satisfy most of the users but unfortunately as of this point for the last few years nothing is happening.

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    dijk

    @cobalt-phoenix

    We have also flagged some submissions for review when we noticed nobody had voted. But whatever "flag for review" does, it does not mean that a moderator looks at it.It didn't make any difference.

    @dbcc

    We have voted other's submsiions, and indeed noticed that indeed it is a "jungle" with a lot of "low" and "moderate" submissions. The "high" stuff passes unnoticed.

    These are the specific submissions:

    intuitiondating.ru    from     rxjvshmq.intuitiondating.ru/f/hrrcf/Amabel/
    livingdating.ru    from     oirkvmxc.livingdating.ru
    date-star.ru    from     hnzlixcg.date-star.ru
    These are not dating sites. They send spam with explicit images.

     

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    cervezafria

    @dijk

    Do NOT post live spam/porn and other undesirable links to these boards without obfuscation, for example, 

    googleDOTcom

    google com

    google*com

     

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    mattwilson9090

    @dijk You have several options, aside for submitting tags for these domains and waiting for them to be categorized.

    The first, and most important, if you don't want your network to access something and it is not yet categorized is to add it to your blacklist.

    For "important" domains, especially porn related ones you can open a trouble ticket. That generally results in rapid categorization of a domain.

    If you are concerned about Russian websites, or at least websites that use .ru domains you can simply add the .ru domain to your blacklist.

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