Web Filter - Block all of site builder(ie Tumblr.) that has more than 1000 porn or nudity sites tagged

Comments

41 comments

  • Avatar
    savefam

    Wow, I was not asking about your (rotblitz) services at all.  You (text of sentence) in the sentence you (rotblitz) quoted refers to a third party (say the company making statements on a website) not you as in You (rotblitz). 

    Who is collecting money?  Check the site - they (OpenDNS) do charge for an upgraded version of their (OpenDNS) home product as well as for corporate customers.  You (rotblitz) even mentioned OpenDNS Home VIP earlier in this thread - per the OpenDNS site right now it is $19.95 / year.  So yes - there is someone getting paid and it is a solution they are selling.

    Now you (rotblitz) are saying that OpenDNS is a filter ("OpenDNS is free for home use, and it filters web content in some way based on what domains host web content") when you (rotblitz) went out of your way to say it is just a DNS and doesn't earlier.

    Again you (rotblitz) changed your (rotblitz) statement about OpenDNS employees being involved instead of it being just a community ran service.  So my request is totally valid that they are involved and they (OpenDNS) could help tag sub-domains.

    My apologies that I have not used OpenDNS or this forum long enough to have noticed any signatures (have not seen one OpenDNS signature yet).  You (rotblitz) were so responsive, defensive and telling me what they (OpenDNS) were thinking I assumed you were invested somehow.  

    I see now that I am dealing with someone who is just controlling the conversation on this thread.  You (rotblitz) are not here to participate in a community but to control it.  Funny how they (OpenDNS) are trying to avoid unnecessary censorship and you (rotblitz) are doing just that.  If you (rotblitz) don't like the idea of blocking parts of tumblr then too bad - others do.  We are looking for controls to help prevent what we consider inappropriate images when the top level domain is classified as an image service (which is fine).  We want to control lower and are simply looking for help to accomplish that goal.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Avatar
    mattwilson9090

    @savefam

    Actually, you were not pointing out that we were correct about subdomains. Rotblitz and I were the ones who introduced them into this conversation with you, and the first time you mentioned subdomains is in the first post in this thread from this morning. You also, prior to this, did not say anything about tagging tumblr or any other domains. You may have been thinking all of that, and thought that you had somehow implied it, but this is the first time that you spoke of any of that.

    Before now you had been talking "a way to handle these large repositories and not just blanket block everything", an unlimited blacklist, and somehow working with these large "repositories" to somehow make use of their non-DNS metadata. That's a pretty vague list of requests in a thread that started out demanding that sites like tumblr be blocked because it has a lot of porn. What new ideas have you actually proposed?

    How do you expect OpenDNS staff to be "pro-active" and search those sites for porn and block those sub-domains? Some sort of automated tool that crawls the entirety of tumblr for content and then in an automated fashion updates their domain tagging? Hire employees to spend all day browsing tumblr just to categorize sub-domains? Would this block that you expect them to do be applied retroactively to all OpenDNS users? What if they don't care about porn and don't want anything blocked except what they specifically want to be blocked?

    The point in my comments in this thread has been that tumblr is not bad and should not be proactively blocked for all users or miscategorized as porn because only a portion of tumblr sites are porn. None of them seemed to be interested in anything but blanket censorship because they personally object to porn, none seemed to be talking about properly classifying subdomains. I certainly did not "know that is what they were really asking about". It's an impossible request if no one actually requests it.

    You still haven't answered my earlier question though "If there's anything else that you think a DNS service can do, what is it?"

    If you object to OpenDNS product description or marketing material you should take that up with them directly. I can't speak for them, but I certainly would not speak in a public forum about my own companies descriptions and marketing with someone who obviously seems to think they are misleading at best, and lying at worst.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Avatar
    savefam

    Matt, you are right - In my mind it was implied but I had not used the term sub-domains.  You are also correct in that I was not thinking of this as just a DNS server.  To answer your question about what more a DNS can do - well not more than you have so effectively explained.  

    When I said a DNS could do more - I meant that OpenDNS should do more - referring to the company not a DNS server.  Yes, if they want to improve then they can do something to help - write crawlers, programs, etc (please don't get caught up in the syntax and if that is actually the best way to handle it technically - it is just a thought) to help with the large repositories.  Why not?  If they don't want to be in that market, okay - it is just a suggestion.  Figured hey - run something that does a search, return XML results, parse the domains, maybe do a quick quality check and associate the domains with the appropriate tag.  A manual example would be search tumblr (site:tumblr.com nudity) - or one of the other large sites people talk about -and associate those domains with nudity.  That way if you have selected to block that category it is blocked and if you have not then nothing changes.  There is no need to retroactively do anything.  It just becomes part of the content filter.  Is that an offensive classification or process to you?  OpenDNS wants help from us - why can't they help as well - they might have an automated way to mark many domains at once with the categories they have defined?

    Your right - I interrupted a thread about block everything and tried to add definition to the thread to help.  Classic discussion - one side does not want unnecessary censorship and the other gets controls.  My apologies for trying to bring the two into a constructive discussion instead of just back and forth that you see everywhere on these topics.

    Just because someone comes on and says block tumblr does not mean they believe in complete blanket censorship - most of the time they do not know how to phrase the question.  Heck, I have been hammered for my syntax mistakes.  Get over it - they just want to block what they consider "porn" which OpenDNS offered as functionality.  Is that really a big deal? 

    If you have read my comments I agree that tumblr is not bad - I am trying to help both sides.  However, you keep attacking because I am explaining how you could have helped them achieve their desire within the confines of the existing structure instead of just being zealots about too much censorship.  Heck - help educate and use that knowledge that you have to help instead of just bash!  They are reaching out the only way they know how and instead of discussing it - ie forum for discussion - you just start slamming them for censorship - when in reality you are censoring their right as well.

    I didn't object to the material - rotblitz did.  I just said that companies need to be careful if they really don't mean what they put out there.  I have no issue with what was said - in fact that and other statements is why I started to look at OpenDNS.  That is exactly what drew so many users to this for protection - whether you agree with them or not.  I don't understand why you have to be so defensive.  Sure they demanded full censorship of tumblr in the beginning.  I think that has been decided already and it is not going to happen. So help them understand that.

    Honestly, how hard would it have been to simply say:  You know what, that will not happen because there are good parts as well and some people don't agree that tumblr contains porn.  Then explain that if they would like to submit the sub-domains then they could use the service like you mentioned.  This entire thread would have been different and productive.

    Why does it have to be this ongoing, syntax bashing, argument.  Can you just try to help other net users?

    So far all I see on these threads are just block tumblr, no it is not porn, block tumblr, no it has kittens too, block tumblr, etc.  I thought - hey how about both of you try to help each other and move on.

    My bad - I apologize for the hurt feelings.  I just thought I would try to help another never-ending, pointless conversation.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Avatar
    ianza

    Hi - even though I have blocked the entire tumblr domain I can still access - what is the problem

    I am not technical - surely if I have added the entire site everything should be blocked - this a problem as I have kids




    tumblr.docx
    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Avatar
    rotblitz

    Your question is totally off-topic here in this thread, didn't see?  Please open a new thread, e.g. under the Community Help section.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Avatar
    savefam

    @ianza

    It appears to me that you tried to search and find an answer and stumbled on this thread.  Yes, by normal forum etiquette it should be setup as a new question in a different area. 

    I'll give you some quick basic advice to try while you wait to hear on your new request.  Since, I did not see you post any information on how you blocked tumblr.com please make sure you block tumblr.com using the following instructions:

    https://support.opendns.com/entries/34435010-Getting-Started-Blocking-Allowing-Specific-Domains-with-Whitelist-Blacklist

    Then you will want to make sure that you have cleared your cache following these instructions, which are also mentioned in the previous article:

    http://www.opendns.com/support/article/68

    If you continue to have issues and it won't block please open a new thread as rotblitz mentioned here:

    https://support.opendns.com/forums/21295462-Community-Help

    and provide them with what you have already tried.  Good luck.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Avatar
    trm13

    I say if tumblr.com and other domains want to have porn on their domain then they should be included in the porn category. It obviously is allowing its name to be used for porn so block them by putting them in the porn category. Maybe when they get less visits they'll make the pornsters get their own domains.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Avatar
    mattwilson9090

    So you would classify 7-Eleven or any number of convenience stores or book stores as pornography stores because they sell Playboy in addition to the many other types of things they sell?

    Tumblr and similar broad websites offer picture sharing as a service, with very little restrictions on the type of pictures, and no emphasis on the types that are uploaded there. It would be highly inappropriate to categorized it as pornography because a fraction of it's content is that, and they do not offer pornography as their standard offering.

    Is there some reason you yourself cannot simply blacklist tumblr.com, or black the photo sharing related categories and then whitelist the domains of the websites you approve of? After all, that is precisely why those options are.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Avatar
    trm13

    mattwilson9090. Yes. In fact I would do what I advocate and vote with my dollars and most importantly tell the store owner that I'm not going to shop while he sells it. I will also get others to boycott. Voting with your dollars is the ONLY real vote you'll ever get and it is very effective. Most convenience stores in my area don't carry Hustler or any of that genre just because of economic boycott.

    In the digital world Tumblr and others can learn to separate the porn from the rest or suffer the economic consequences. I've already asked Tumblr why don't they separate their site based on adult and regular content. If they don't want to then they lose my business and the business of everyone who doesn't like their answer. If pandering to porn sites is their business model then good luck to them. It just won't be accessed from any network I control.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Avatar
    rotblitz

    "I would do what I advocate and vote with my dollars...  It just won't be accessed from any network I control."

    Are you saying that you have paid for their service?  No matter, Tumblr will be unimpressed of your decision.

    "I've already asked Tumblr why don't they separate their site based on adult and regular content."

    Beside the fact that adult content is not irregular content, what answer did they come back with if at all?

    0
    Comment actions Permalink
  • Avatar
    mattwilson9090

    Well, you didn't really respond to any of what I said, but did use it to climb up on a soap box about things that have nothing to do with OpenDNS.

    I asked you if you'd classify 7-Eleven or any other business that sells Playboy as pornography stores and I got a mini-lesson in economically boycotting businesses that you don't approve of. BTW, I didn't ask about Hustler, I asked about Playboy.

    What economic consequences will Tumblr suffer? Do you pay them anything? Will they notice you not using a service that you apparently never used in the first place? Good luck in getting answers to those questions you asked, especially since you aren't a paying customer of theirs.

    Will you next be launching a boycott campaign against OpenDNS because you classify them as a pornographer because their DNS service makes it possible to reach "porn sites" such as Tumblr?

    BTW, I don't think pandering to porn sites is their business model. Their business model seems to be making their service available to anyone who wants to use it to share photos. Other than certain things that are illegal, such as child pornography they do not make an effort to censor or control any of the content on their service.

    Anyway, back to the important part of my initial reply to you "Is there some reason you yourself cannot simply blacklist tumblr.com, or black the photo sharing related categories and then whitelist the domains of the websites you approve of? After all, that is precisely why those options are." In your eagerness to lambaste Tumblr and their business practices, which are totally irrelevant to OpenDNS, you seem to have overlooked those questions.

    0
    Comment actions Permalink

Please sign in to leave a comment.