add a temporary "no filtering" button (10-15 min seems a duration)

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    rotblitz

    Too late, the idea is already there:
    https://support.opendns.com/entries/22947050
    https://support.opendns.com/entries/22112830

    And a solution was provided too: a Netgear router with LPC enabled.

    And another related idea for normal OpenDNS have been flagged with "Not Planned" already:
    https://support.opendns.com/entries/2204694

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    mmmash

    i believe its not really the same ...

    another solution could be saving checkboxes and find they checked when i come back ?

     

    (i'm french and i my box belongs to "free" so no netgear router here ...)

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    mattwilson9090

    Your only option for this is a Netgear router with LPC.

     

    With a free account, even if there was a timed mechanism to disable filtering, or filtering that changed according to some sort of schedule it would still be necessary to flush the cache on all devices on your network in order for the wholesale changed settings to take effect. Since the free service affects your entire network and does not rely upon any sort of local client there is no way for OpenDNS to flush those caches for you.

    If you don't want to use a Netgear router you'll need to manually change the filtering settings yourself, and then flush the caches on all devices on your network in order for the changes to take effect "immediately"

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    abudziak

    I do not see anything in the original request about wanting this to "take effect immediately".  I do see that any time I make a change to what is or is not blocked the system tells me that it should go into effect in approximately three minutes.

    I think it would be very useful to have a "disable filtering" check box that would - after three minutes or so - disable all blocking for a specified time (that could be selected from a dropdown box perhaps so as to have limits and not be forgotten) then restore all the settings after the time period has ended with the expectation from us users that it does take at least a couple minutes for the changes to go into effect.

    I think it's a great idea mmmash!  I hope the good folks at OpenDNS take it into consideration.

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    mattwilson9090

    Wanting a "temporary" setting that automatically expires after 10-15 minutes implies that it will take effect immediately.

    It's true that when you make changes to your filtering settings that it says it will take up to 3 minutes for the change to go into effect, but if an effected domain is in the cache those settings won't go into effect on that local device until the cache entry has timed out or the cache has been flushed. If the domain isn't yet in the domain then the filtering settings should take effect after that 3 minutes.

    Whether it took place immediately or not, with this kind of setting the DNS cache would still need to be flushed or anything that is presently in that cache will still appear to be blocked, regardless of whether or not turning of blocking was temporary or permanent.

    This is still functionally the same as having timed settings for the OpenDNS settings, the DNS cache still needs to be flushed in order for this functionality to appear to work consistently for the user, and when it doesn't people will be screaming to OpenDNS that things aren't working.

    Quite simply, as has been stated dozens, if not hundreds of times in this forum, DNS services cannot be time based. If you want time based filtering you need to do that at the local hardware level, such as the router.

     

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    mmmash

    sorry mattwilson but abudziak is more close to my idea and the "phylosophy" of it:

    time doesn't matter as we all know that it will take "about" three minutes to be off (for "about" xx minutes) and then back on   ;-))

     

    as said above, another (better and simple ?) solution could be saving checkboxes and find they checked when we come back

    so we can restart all the filtering with one click ?

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    Patrick Colford

    @mmmash What differences do you see between this and the LPC system? The Netgear controls allow you to specify times that your filtering changes, and your proposed system would allow you to specify times that your filtering changes. 

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    mattwilson9090

    Sorry, but it doesn't matter what your "philosophy" is if it ignores the realities of how DNS works.

    That three minutes is the amount of time to be sure that the changes to your OpenDNS settings have propogated throughout the system. It has nothing at all to do with the DNS cache that is on your device or devices. As has been stated many, many times in many, many threads in this forum, it is preceisely because of that DNS cache that timed DNS settings, whether it be "temporarily disable for x minutes" or "use these settings from Monday through Friday, and these on Saturday and Sunday" cannot and will not work. Regardless of what is changed on the OpenDNS servers, you still need to make sure that all of your DNS caches are purged or it will not matter at all what settings are currently on the OpenDNS servers.

    The mechanism of how you set those timed settings is irrelevant since timed settings DO NOT WORK with any DNS server due to how DNS works. That is precisely why rotblitz and Patrick both referred you to the Netgear routers with LPC

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    mmmash

    to Patrick Colford: i don't need or want time limit or duration for filtering changes.

                                 My problem is that when i choose no filtering, i loose the checkboxes when i go back (and have to manually recheck them ...) :

                                 the solution is indeed saving checkboxes - thanks for responding

     

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    rotblitz

    Then you posted under the wrong idea.  This is what you're looking for:

    This were both already marked as "Not Planned" by OpenDNS, so it really doesn't make sense to bring it up again...

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    mmmash

    mayby they could change their mind  ;-)

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    mattwilson9090

    I believe a similar capability exists in some or all of the Umbrella plans, and something like this might already exist with some Netgear routers (but Netgear, not OpenDNS, would need to provide that).

    I seriously do not see OpenDNS adding this open to a free home based service that already provides very good service. If you want additional options beyond the basics you'll need to pay for them. One option with the free service is to take a screenshot of your settings before you change or remove them entirely. That would greatly simplify restoring the settings back to what they had been.

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    mattwilson9090

    I forgot to say, the similar capability in Umbrella would be the ability to define "policies", and to selectively apply them to users, devices or networks depending on the exact version of Umbrella you are using.

    Of course, since Umbrella is still a DNS based service, turning policies off or on in a wholesale fashion still isn't going to be very effective due to whatever is in the DNS cache. That kind of wholesale change would still likely require flushing of all DNS caches that could be "in the chain" in order to be certain that the change was actually getting applied to the affected devices.

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    mmmash

    ""One option with the free service is to take a screenshot of your settings before you change or remove them entirely.

    That would greatly simplify restoring the settings back to what they had been.""

     

    ==>>  thats exactly what i do but its quite time consuming and boring ...

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    mattwilson9090

    Then you'll need to look into one of the pay OpenDNS services that allows you to create policies since OpenDNS has made it clear that they will not be offering this as an option with their FREE service. They weren't really intended to provide this kind of functionality, but it might be possible to use them to emulate something like that.

    Free service or not, turning filtering off and back on will only be partially effective without flushing the DNS cache.

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