Integration with Indonesian Gov. web filtering

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    rotblitz

    There's one big difference between Indonesian Government web filtering and OpenDNS web filtering:

    "Indonesian Goverment has been enforcing a web filtering mechanism to all local ISP."

    This one is called censorship, not acceptable in democratic countries.  It restricts and violates an essential human right, the right of free access to any information available.

    "opendns also has these categories of filtering."

    Whereas OpenDNS filtering is under the full control of each individual network owner, never under the enforcement or control of a Government or ISP.  It's with the free decision of the network owner, as should be.

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    whoelse

    @rotblitz

    You may use the term 'censorship' or any other term. But don't be mistaken with the censorship done in some countries which blocks access to western culture, opposition party, news, etc etc related web sites. 

    As it's written above, the one and only reason of it is moral reason to conform with societal norms. Indonesia is a democratic country, which values freedom of speech so much. I believe most democratic countries also have internet censorship with their own reason & intensity.

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    mattwilson9090

    @anj-agri Censorship is indeed the proper term for this. Your government, for whatever reasons, is actively working to prevent it's citizens and residents from accessing certain kinds of information, thoughts and ideas, and content.

    Censorship of this kind is inherently at odds with freedom of speech, and some would argue that if there is any form of censorship that there is no freedom of speech at all. Do you have any specific countries in mind when you say that most democratic countries practice this? Here in the United States there are no internet restrictions of this sort, though there are certainly internet activities that are illegal (such as trading in child pornography or insider trading) but they would be illegal whether the internet was used as part of those activities or not. I'm not aware of any "democratic" countries (I put it in quotes because I'm not aware of any truly democratic countries in the world, even the United States is not a democracy, it is a republic that uses democratic principles)  that have this kind of internet censorship, but I'm not closely familiar with the internet related laws of the worlds nearly 200 nations.

    That said, this category may indeed be similar to the German Youth Protection category, but individual domains would still need to be added to it, and even the German category has a disclaimer that it does not guarantee compliance with German law. Plus, as I understand it, those German laws apply to *all* forms of communication, not just the internet. Even if such a category were created I wouldn't rely upon it for compliance with Indonesia's laws, especially since it would only be capable of filtering domain names, not the specific kinds of content and information that the Indonesian website you pointed to seemed refer to.

    It's a difficult thing to accomplish this level of restriction, both as a matter of procedure and applying technology to the issue, and I suspect that you'll need to rely upon Indonesian ISP's to do it for you, and for them to take responsibility for the filtering to be in compliance with Indonesian law. Otherwise, if you use a solution that relies upon a foreign provider you yourself might be liable for any traffic that is even inadvertently in violation of Indonesian law. Since I'm not very familiar with the Indonesian legal or prison system I'd advise treading carefully, and even if OpenDNS does create this category, that you check with a lawyer and/or governmental authorities to make sure that your solution is in compliance with your nation's laws.

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    Eden

    Hi anj-agri,

    Thank you for your suggestion on the forum. OpenDNS currently has some categories like German Youth Protection to help businesses comply to local laws and regulations. By making a suggestion here, our product managers can be made aware of the situation in Indonesia. In the meantime if you do come across any websites that should be categorized as pornography, gambling etc, feel free to submit the domain through our community or submit a support ticket to us to have the domain reviewed.

    Thank you for using OpenDNS!

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    whoelse

    @mattwilson9090

    From isoc.org, "Even in democratic nations, we can find initiatives trying to control or censor the Internet, from the states themselves, political groups or opinion groups".

    From wikipedia, "many countries throughout the world, including some democracies with long traditions of strong support for freedom of expression and freedom of the press, are engaged in some amount of online censorship, often with substantial public support".

    If we dig deeper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_and_surveillance_by_country), we could easily find democratic countries with internet censorship.

    "especially since it would only be capable of filtering domain names, not the specific kinds of content and information that the Indonesian website you pointed to seemed refer to" -> this is exactly how Indonesia gov. does the filtering, by domain names. A database containing blacklisted domains is already provided by the gov as filtering reference to ISP.

    @eden

    I am currently doing that, Thanks a lot.

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