Violence category

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    rotblitz

    I feel that violence is already covered by the Hate/Discrimination and maybe theTasteless and Weapons categories.

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    kkkgemini

    No, because if I seek, f.i, "behead", it comes out of everything, with no filter.

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    kkkgemini

    ... and I selected the filter "HIGH"

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    rotblitz

    Are you aware that OpenDNS as DNS service can block based on domain names?

    Did you mean it comes out search engines?  Then you must block the search engines category of domains.

    Else submit the domain names in question for the related category.  They may not have been tagged yet.

    In case you do not know how domain tagging works, see https://community.opendns.com/domaintagging/faq/

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    kkkgemini

    My question is really very simple: why OpenDNS filters many categories of content, such as pornography, but does not filters the violence-related contents?
    It's possible filter violent contents in the same manner in which are filtered so many other content?

    Sorry for my bad english ;-)

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    rotblitz

    I got the impression you didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it.  I say it again, a DNS service like OpenDNS can block domain names where content is hosted on, but cannot block or "filter content".

    "...does not filters the violence-related contents?"

    If certain domains with violence related content are not categorized yet, they will not be blocked.  You can tag them with one or more of the existing categories Hate/Discrimination, Tasteless and Weapons.  It is the user community proposing domains for categorization, and you're part of the community.

    "It's possible filter violent contents in the same manner in which are filtered so many other content?"

    Yes, sure!  You tag the domains hosting this content in the domain tagging system.  And you can block them immediately in your network by adding the domain names to your "always block" list.

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    kkkgemini

    We do not understand each other.

    I have not asked you to explain me the operation of OpenDNS. Are technical aspects that i'm not obligated to understand and that don't interest me.

    I see, very simply, that there are many categories blocked, and I ask you, again very simply, if you can insert a new category "violence", which is treated like any other category, without any difference: the technical procedures in order to make this regard your job.

    I was able to explain to you?

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    mattwilson9090

    I can't tell you why OpenDNS doesn't have a specific violence category. It's possible that they didn't consider it, or they chose not to create one. Regardless, even if robtlitz or I were employees, which we aren't, we likely wouldn't be able to tell you about internal company decisions. Most companies will tell you what they're doing and offering, but for various reasons will not tell you about the internal decisions that led up to it.

    This is a community forum, in a section dedicated to posting and discussing ideas. It's not limited to direct interaction with OpenDNS employees. If enough people click on that the button that they like this idea then OpenDNS will consider it. Before you ask, I have no idea what "enough people is" though I think I'm safe in saying that's probably more than 1 or 2. Even if no one votes to like it OpenDNS may still consider this additional category.

    That said, there is no technical reason that OpenDNS couldn't create a violence category, and let users start voting on domains that they consider to be violence. However, whether or not you want to know about how OpenDNS works, you need to understand that OpenDNS does not filter content, it only filter's domain names that you blacklist or belong to a category that you block. That means that if you see content on a website that you don't like, whether it's a link, picture, or search result, it will not be blocked unless the domain of the site you are looking at is categorized as violence. If you can't or won't understand that, then you'll continually be frustrated with OpenDNS for not doing what you expect it to do.

    The most difficult part of this idea is how to define violence. Do you mean fictional violence like is common in so many action movies? There are sexual practices that some consider violent, should those be considered violent as well? You specifically mentioned beheading videos from ISIS. If a domain hosted such videos it's domain could certainly be classified as violent, but that would mean that the entire domain would be blocked, meaning you could see none of the content on the associated website. Is that your intention, or are you just trying to block beheading videos?

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    kkkgemini

    First of all thank you for your articulated response. In fact I thought to talk to Cisco employees .. :-)
    Turning to the subject of the discussion, I can also manually block 10, 20, 30 domains, but the web pages relating to the results of the search engines, especially those consisting of hundreds of thumbnail images or video, are impossible to block domain by domain. Google's SafeSearch filter effectively blocks pornographic images, but completely ignores the violent content that I mentioned.
    And frankly, it is incomprehensible that also OpenDNS totally ignores the violent contents, and considers more dangerous category "Tobacco" than violence, until to not consider it among the lockable categories. From what I understand, I can only wait and hope that this incredible gap is filled.
    Speaking about what I can do in practice, I read in some of your discussions that other search engines administrate searches, and related pages of thumbnails, with better security systems than Google: what do you recommend to do, change engine of research? And if so, which one?

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    rotblitz

    OK, while it's still possible to add a category of Violence to get it filled by the domain tagging community with related domains hosting violent content (I'm sure you are keen to participate in this exercise), this is definitely not possible if it comes to "the web pages relating to the results of the search engines, especially those consisting of hundreds of thumbnail images or video".

    I know, you're not interested in the technology, so I simply say that with OpenDNS you can only select the categories Search Engines, P2P File Sharing, Photo Sharing, Video Sharing and Visual Search Engines to eliminate possible violent content of "the web pages relating to the results of the search engines, especially those consisting of hundreds of thumbnail images or video", because these are hosted by the search engines, so you must block them!

    Especially, a new category Violence would help here in no way unless you added all search engines to it which does not really make sense, because this is already covered by the other categories I mentioned, like Search Engines.

    Therefore you "can only wait and hope that this incredible gap is filled" by Google with their SafeSearch feature, or to change to another search engine (I don't know a specific one filtering violence), or to attempt to at least block (all) the thumbnails on search results if these are hosted on specific domains.  Alternatively look for a locally running software which can analyze your web traffic, seeing your URLs and webpages and can therefore perform heuristic content filtering by keyword and such.  This can be achieved by locally running software only, not by a service in the cloud and especially not by a DNS service like OpenDNS.

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    kkkgemini

    Rotblitz, I continue to don't understand the reason that brings you to consider the violence tag different respect others.
    If is necessary the domain tagging in order to form a category, why don't make the same categorization work for "violence"?. How mattwilson9090 says, <<there is no technical reason that OpenDNS couldn't create a violence category>>.
    However, I will participate gladly to the categorization of domains that hosts violent content.

    Thanks at all for have paid attention to my questions :-)

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    Patrick Colford

    Hello,

    Currently, "violence" is not a category which can be filtered. However, you can suggest it as a new category here: https://community.opendns.com/domaintagging/categories#suggest

    Similar suggestions for categories are noticed by our Domain Tagging team, and so many suggestions of "violence" will be more noticeable than just a single suggestion. As a result, I encourage anyone on this thread who would care to see this category add your voice of support there.

    Thanks for your continued support of OpenDNS.

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    kkkgemini

    Ok, thank you! :-)

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    mattwilson9090

    @kkkgemini

    That's correct, you can't block "content" with OpenDNS. Content in this case being results from a search engine. You can only block the domain for the search engine itself, which of course would mean you can't use the search engine in question. Many search engines have a "Safe Search" feature such as Google's but they can be difficult to enforce their use on your entire network, and as you've already discovered generally only block porn related results. This is primarily what rotblitz has been talking about, aside from him thinking that the violence category is redundant and already addressed with different categories.

    Again though, and this is a crucial element, OpenDNS does not concern itself with content of any sort, whether that content is pornographic, violent, or even food content. It can only block the domain, which means you'd lose access to everything associated with that domain, not specific kinds of content. It's an all or nothing situation.

    I can't explain why there is no Violence category, and even if I were an employee I probably wouldn't be allowed to explain that decision making process, but you are correct. You need to sugest the category at the lind that Patrick provided, and hopefully for you, OpenDNS will decide to create this category.

    I can't really recommend a search engine for you. For one, I don't need need to filter things like violent content so I'm not certain what each engine can do, nor do I know what country you are in, which can have a huge impact on the options available to you as well what those individual engines can use. Personally I use Bing as opposed to Google, but that is a personal decision based upon my own needs and preferences, which sound vastly diferent from your own.

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    rotblitz

    "I continue to don't understand the reason that brings you to consider the violence tag different respect others."

    No, this was not my consideration at all, but my concern was:

    It cannot be applied to "the web pages relating to the results of the search engines, especially those consisting of hundreds of thumbnail images or video".  Because this was your main motivation for suggesting a Violence category.  Beside this, why not having this category?  I even would most likely select it for blocking.  That's fine, but it would not have effect on search results.

    Don't ask why.  The explanation would be too technical for you and has been provided already.

    Clearer now?

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    kkkgemini

    Ok. I have understood very well that a system like OpenDNS blocks the domain and not the contents :-). 

    Perhaps the reason why OpenDNS offers a tag as "pornography" or "tobacco" and not "violence" resides in the monothematic nature that normally have websites bearers of these kinds of content, whereby the domain block is equivalent to filter contents, and vice versa, achieving the desired result easily and without "side effects".
    Different is probably the case of violent contents, that are often hosted by websites of newspapers or TV under the headings of the news or historical arguments, that in addition to these contents convey other non-violent contents available by all, making inaccurate and indiscriminate the blocking domain.
    I then tried to adopt a customized set of categories, which also includes Television, News / Media, etc ..: the situation has improved significantly, although still many images and videos are showed undisturbed.
    As you said, it is perhaps more a problem of the search engine than of a service of domains block.

    Nevertheless, I will propose to OpenDNS to create, in the manner deemed by them most appropriate, a new category "violence" that works better than a simple grouping of existing categories.

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    rotblitz

    The "side effects" are the same for all categories, like it would be for a new category violence.  One cannot block "pornography", "tobacco" or anything else if it is presented by other sites and hosted on other domains like search engines and news, unless you block these other domains' categories, e.g. search engines and news.

    So no, a category violence would not be a special case.  In no way!

    No matter, I have voted for your idea now.  An additional category violence where domains hosting violent content are collected would be good!
    But, I say it again, this will not be able to cover violent "content" presented by search engines, news and similar.

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    kkkgemini

    I agree with you. Thank you for voting :-)

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    jdicesare

    Agreed, there should be a violence category that includes: fighting, stabbing/beheading, shooting.

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    mattwilson9090

    Are there websites that are devoted primarily or exclusively to those topics, or do you mean that any site that ever has content like that, such as a news site, should be classified as violence?

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